(kértana, followed by prema-dhvani prayers)

Prabhupäda: That door is open? People will see. The door is... Read.

Tamäla Kåñëa: Chapter Three: Karma-yoga. One: "Arjuna said: 'O Janärdana, O Keçava, why do You urge me to engage in this ghastly warfare if You think that intelligence is better than fruitive work?' "

Purport: "The Supreme Personality of Godhead Çré Kåñëa has very elaborately described the constitution of the soul in the previous chapter with a view to delivering His intimate friend Arjuna from the ocean of material grief. And the path of realization has been recommended: buddhi-yoga, or Kåñëa consciousness. Sometimes this Kåñëa consciousness is misunderstood to be inertia, and one with such a misunderstanding often withdraws to a secluded place to become fully Kåñëa conscious..."

Prabhupäda: Yes. This is very important point. Sometimes it is thought that spiritual life means to retire from active life. That is general impression. People think that for cultivation of spiritual knowledge or self-realization they should go to some Himalayan caves or some secluded place. That is also recommended. But that sort of recommendation is meant for persons who are unable to engage themselves in activities of Kåñëa consciousness. Lord Kåñëa is teaching Arjuna how one can remain in his position. Never mind whatever he is, still he can become perfectly in Kåñëa consciousness. That is the whole substance of the teachings of Lord Kåñëa.

Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu also. He never asked anybody to change his position. He simply recommended that you associate with pure devotees and hear from him. That's all. Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu never asked anybody that "You first of all..."

Just like Çaìkaräcärya. Çaìkaräcärya's theory is that you first of all become a sannyäsa, in renounced order of life; then you try to understand what you are, säìkhya philosophy. Therefore, according to their system, anyone who takes sannyäsa, he's supposed to be immediately merged into the existence of God. Therefore they address, "Näräyaëa." In Çaìkara sampradäya, one sannyäsé addresses another sannyäsé as "Näräyaëa." But here, in Kåñëa consciousness movement, there is no condition. The only condition is... That is not condition; that is recreation.

Just like we have got this nice place. We invite people, "Please come and join with us." Not necessarily that one has to come and dance with us or sing with us. Simply if he comes and sees our activities, that is also a great benefit. Simply if somebody appreciates, "Oh, these boys and girls, they are doing nice," that will be also beneficial for him. Then gradually, he will grasp. But people are so obstinate that in spite of our repeated requests that "Please come and join with us," they have no time. Go on. Yes. "Sometimes..."

Tamäla Kåñëa: "Sometimes this Kåñëa consciousness is misunderstood to be inertia, and one with such a misunderstanding often withdraws to a secluded place to become fully Kåñëa conscious by chanting the holy name of Lord Kåñëa."

Prabhupäda: Sometimes the so-called devotees of Kåñëa... In Våndävana you'll find that they are keeping themself in a secluded place and supposed to be chanting Hare Kåñëa. But practically it has been seen that by such artificial way of becoming Kåñëa consciousness, it does not make anyone advanced. I have seen practically. They are living in a secluded place, chanting Hare Kåñëa, but practically, when he comes out, he's smoking. You see. He cannot give up even smoking, and what to speak of this material world? You see? That is artificial. This is not recommended. First of all you become mature. Then secluded place.

Otherwise there is no secluded place. Mäyä is everywhere. Mäyä will dictate, "Oh, you are so tired. Why don't you come out and smoke a cigarette?" Yes. And he thinks he's advancing, the nonsense is advancing. No. Phalena paricéyate. By the result one has to be judged how far he has advanced. Similarly, there are so many persons, they are meditating. What meditating, nonsense? What is their character? If you challenge their character, nonsense. So these sort of things will not help. Come practically forward.

Just like our students, going door to door, chanting Hare Kåñëa. And people are taking advantage of it, they are hearing. So this process is beneficial to the public. Even a small child who joins here, he also claps, tries to clap. So this Kåñëa consciousness movement is not to remain in a secluded place to get cheap advertisement, "Oh, that man is meditating." No. Go, practically work.

Just like Lord Jesus Christ, he practically worked. So there is practical work. No question of going into a secluded place. We should remain in the congested city and preach this Kåñëa consciousness movement without being affected by this contamination of city life. That is perfection. They shall not be contaminated, touched by the contamination of the city life, but still, they will go on with Kåñëa consciousness. That is perfection. Yes. Go on.

Tamäla Kåñëa: "But without being trained in the philosophy of Kåñëa consciousness it is not advisable to chant the holy name of Kåñëa in a secluded place where one may acquire only cheap adoration from the innocent public. Arjuna thought of Kåñëa consciousness or buddhi-yoga, intelligence in spiritual advancement of knowledge, as something like retirement from active life and the practice of penance and austerity at a secluded place. In other words..."

Prabhupäda: Yes. Arjuna is asking that "You say that Kåñëa consciousness is very good. Why You are engaging me in this fight?" That is his question. So Kåñëa will answer this question. General people understand that retiring from ordinary duties, one becomes spiritually advanced. That is being taught here. It is not like that. Kåñëa taught to the whole world that Arjuna was a soldier, he was a fighter, and in his fighting also he can be Kåñëa conscious. It is not that he has to cease from fighting and then become Kåñëa conscious. No. There is no such question. There is no rejection of anything, but dovetailing everything. That is the process. Do everything, but in Kåñëa consciousness. If you are a fighter, fight, but for Kåñëa. If you are a businessman, all right. Do business for Kåñëa. If you are something else, do that, but for Kåñëa. This is wanted. This is called Kåñëa consciousness. To dovetail everything with Kåñëa.

Nirbandhaù kåñëa-sambandhe yuktaà vairägyam ucyate. Yuktaà vairägya, real renunciation, is to dovetail everything for Kåñëa. That is renunciation. Not renunciation that "I earn whole time millions of dollars and distribute among my children and are all engaged in some other way, and I become Kåñëa conscious in a secluded place." No. You can begin Kåñëa consciousness from the very beginning. Earn for Kåñëa, spend for Kåñëa, think for Kåñëa, work for Kåñëa. That is Kåñëa consciousness. Fight for Kåñëa. Nothing to be rejected. Everything to be dovetailed with Kåñëa. That is Kåñëa consciousness. Go on.

Tamäla Kåñëa: "In other words he wanted to skillfully avoid the fighting by using Kåñëa consciousness as an excuse. But as a sincere student, he placed the matter before his master and questioned Kåñëa as to his best course of action. In answer, Lord Kåñëa elaborately explained karma-yoga, or work in Kåñëa consciousness, in this third chapter."

Prabhupäda: Yes. Karma-yoga means... Karma means action, fruitive action. Everyone is working in this world to get some result. Somebody is working in business, earning millions of dollars yearly. Why he is earning? He's earning for his sense gratification. As soon as he has got money, he changes his car, he changes his apartment, changes his standard of life only for increasing. The whole world is working so hard, and the result is that increasing their objects of sense gratification. This is called karma. Karma means to enjoy the result of your activities. And when it is karma-yoga, that means the activities which is your occupation, you can engage yourself in that activity, but don't engage the result for your sense gratification, but for satisfaction of Kåñëa. That is called karma-yoga. Yoga means to link up with the Supreme, and karma... You are inclined to work. All right, work. But link up your result of work with Kåñëa. That is called karma-yoga. Yoga means linking up with the Supreme, and karma, when it is linked up with Kåñëa, that is called karma-yoga. It will be explained. Now go on.

Tamäla Kåñëa.: Two: "My intelligence is bewildered by Your equivocal instructions. Therefore please tell me decisively what is most beneficial for me."

Prabhupäda: Yes. People think it is equivocal. I ask you to become spiritualist; still, I ask you to work ordinarily, "Go work like this, work like this." They'll think, "What sort of spiritual life this is? They are also earning money, they are also working in the factory," or they are also doing this or that. So to the ordinary man it appears equivocal. But it is not equivocal. That is the real process of working. Go on.

Tamäla Kåñëa: Purport: "In the previous chapter, as a prelude to the Bhagavad-gétä, many different paths were explained, namely säìkhya-yoga, buddhi-yoga, controlling the senses by intelligence, work without fruitive desire, the position of the neophyte, etc. This was all presented unsystematically. A more organized outline of the path would be necessary for action and understanding. Arjuna therefore wanted to clear up these apparently confusing matters so that any common man could accept them without misinterpretation. Although Kåñëa had no intention of confusing Arjuna by any jugglery of words, Arjuna could not follow the process of Kåñëa consciousness either by inertia or active service. In other words, by his questions he is clearing the path of Kåñëa consciousness for all students who are serious about understanding the mystery of the Bhagavad-gétä."

Prabhupäda: Yes. Sometimes it appears to the student contradictory. But actually, the master who is well conversant, he does not say anything contradictory. It is the misunderstanding of the student that sometimes he thinks that it is contradictory. Therefore the question is allowed. You'll find that a student is advised to question to the spiritual master. Tad viddhi. You should understand the transcendental science by the process of... First thing is surrender; then question, and sevä, service. Surrender and service and question. Simply if you question, and don't surrender, don't render any service, then it will be simply waste of time.

Just like Arjuna was talking in the beginning with Kåñëa as friends. So Kåñëa was talking very cautiously because it was friendly talk. But when Arjuna surrendered unto Him, "I accept You as my spiritual master," He's talking freely. This is going on. Go on.

Tamäla Kåñëa: Three: "The blessed Lord said, 'O sinless Arjuna, I have already explained that there are two classes of men who realize the self. The contemplative are inclined to understand it by empirical philosophical speculations, and the active are inclined to know it by devotional service.' "

Purport: "In the Second Chapter, verse thirty-nine, the Lord has explained two kinds of procedure, namely säìkhya-yoga and karma-yoga, or buddhi-yoga."

Prabhupäda: Säìkhya, säìkhya-yoga. Säìkhya means analyzing the material elements and dovetail it with the Supreme. This is called säìkhya-yoga. Samyak khyäpayate, or things are very explicitly explained for understanding of the common man. That is called säìkhya-yoga, or jïäna-yoga. And another is karma-yoga, or buddhi-yoga. Go on.

Tamäla Kåñëa: "In this verse the Lord explains the same more clearly. Säìkhya-yoga or the analytical study of the nature of spirit and matter is the subject for persons who are inclined to speculate and understand things by experimental knowledge and philosophy. The other class of men work in Kåñëa consciousness, as is explained in verse sixty-one of the same Second Chapter. The Lord has explained also in verse thirty-nine that by working under the principles of buddhi-yoga or Kåñëa consciousness one can be relieved from the bondage of action and furthermore there is no flaw in the process. The same principle is more clearly explained in verse sixty-one, that this buddhi-yoga is to depend entirely on the Supreme or more specifically, on Kåñëa, and in this way all the senses can be brought under control very easily. Therefore both the yogas are interdependent, as religion and philosophy. Religion without philosophy is sentiment or sometimes fanaticism, while philosophy without religion is mental speculation. The ultimate goal is Kåñëa."

Prabhupäda: There are certain class of men who are simply philosophizing and there are certain class of men who are simply blindly following religious ritualistic process. So Bhagavad-gétä is combination of both. That is scientific. You should be religious, but should understand everything philosophically. Otherwise one becomes fanatic, religious fanatic. In the Caitanya-caritämåta it is clearly said that caitanyera dayära kathä karaha vicära. You people, you try to understand the gifts of Caitanya Mahäprabhu by your philosophical understanding. Not blindly, philosophically. And vicära karile citte päibe camatkära. If you are actually a wise man, then you'll find it is sublime. And if you simply stick to your own religious ritualistic principles, don't try to understand the philosophy of everything, then you become a fanatic. So we should not become religious fanatics, nor dry mental speculators. Both these classes of men are dangerous. They cannot make any advance. The combination. You should be religious, but try to understand each and every line philosophically.

Just like in the Bible there is the statement, "God created this universe." It is a fact. But because modern educated persons have not explained how God created, how the process of creation... These things are explained in the Bhägavata, how the sky became in existence, then the air became in existence, the fire became in existence. There is a process, general graduation. Actually, God has created the world. There is no doubt about it. But because it is not philosophically explained, the modern educated persons, they don't accept.

So Bhagavad-gétä you'll find everything. A combination of religious sentiments plus philosophical understanding. That is wanted. Go on.

Tamäla Kåñëa: "The ultimate goal is Kåñëa, because the philosophers who are also sincerely searching after the Absolute Truth come in the end to Kåñëa consciousness. This is also stated in the Bhagavad-gétä. The whole process is to understand the real position of the self in relation to the Superself. The indirect process is philosophical speculation by which gradually one may come to the point of Kåñëa consciousness and the other process is by directly connecting with everything in Kåñëa consciousness."

Prabhupäda: Yes. If you want to go to the goal by philosophical speculation, analyzing "This is not spirit," the neti neti, "this is not Brahman, this is not spirit," that also will help you. But in this age, such philosophical study... Not in this age, every age. That is a very long term process. But when people lived for a very, very long time, it may be it was possible to arrive at the goal of life by such process, but in this age there is no time.

I do not know what is going to happen to me just after coming out, or while I am sitting in this room. Even a big man, President Kennedy, he was going in procession, he never expected that he'll be shot, but he's shot. So there is no certainty of our life this age. Therefore we should take up the quick method for self-realization. The long term method will not help us. We are not prepared for it neither. Therefore the short term, immediate effective. Chant Hare Kåñëa, and immediate effect. Go on.

Tamäla Kåñëa: "The indirect process is philosophical speculation by which gradually one may come to the point of Kåñëa consciousness and the other process is by directly connecting with everything in Kåñëa consciousness. Out of these two, the path of Kåñëa consciousness is better because the philosophical process does not purify the senses. Kåñëa consciousness..."

Prabhupäda: Philosophical process... You can show by jugglery of words your academic qualification, but it will not take you to the right... We have seen many such philosophical speculators. They are simply talking in the meeting. But that's all. And if we take, study their private character it is less than ordinary man. Less than ordinary man. That will not help us in this age. You see? You may take some credit in a meeting, "Oh, he is a very nice speaker." So what is that if you become a nice speaker? What will help you in your spiritual realization? This is. If you do one minute's Hare Kåñëa, it will give you immediate result. One second, if you chant or hear. This is so nice. Direct method. Immediate effect. Go on.

Tamäla Kåñëa: "Kåñëa consciousness is itself a purifying process and by the direct method of devotional service it is simultaneously easy and sublime."

Four: "Not merely by abstaining from work can one achieve freedom from reaction, nor by renunciation alone can one attain perfection."

Prabhupäda: Yes. Simply by... It is explained. Go on.

Tamäla Kåñëa: Purport: "The renounced order of life can be adopted upon being purified by the discharge of the prescribed form of duties. The prescribed form of duties is laid down just to purify the heart of materialistic men. Without the purifying process one cannot attain success by abruptly adopting the fourth order of life, sannyäsa."

Prabhupäda: Renunciation is the fourth order of life according to Vedic civilization. Just like we are a sannyäsé. So we were also householder. I have got my wife, still living. I have got my children. But I have been able to come to this stage of renunciation forgetting my all relationship with my wife and children and family and home because I was trained gradually. I was trained as brahmacäré, as gåhastha by the mercy of our spiritual master. Therefore I don't feel anything. But abruptly, if we take to sannyäsa order, then... We have seen many persons abruptly taking or without understanding the self-realization process. He fails. He again comes back to the materialistic way of life in a different form. Suppose he begins in philanthropic work, some hospitalizing or opening educational institution. That is nice, but these things are being done by the government and many philanthropic persons. That is not the duty of a sannyäsé. A sannyäsé, a renounced order of life, his main business is to spread Kåñëa consciousness, or God consciousness. That is his real business. But if one has not the taste what is Kåñëa consciousness, simply accept sannyäsa, then he will do all this nonsense work.

And... Of course, I don't wish to name. Some of our students went to a very big swami here in New York. He found that he was smoking. And the student said, "Swamiji, we don't smoke." And he was ashamed. He was ashamed. So what is the use of taking this kind of sannyäsa? Sannyäsa means to give up all material contaminated activities for the sake of the Supreme Lord. That is called sannyäsa.

Sat nyäsa, sannyäsa. This is the combination. Sat means the Supreme, the ever-existing, and nyäsa means renunciation. That means one who has renounced everything for serving the Supreme, he is real sannyäsa. He may take this dress or not, that doesn't matter. Anyone who has sacrificed his life for service of the Supreme Lord, he's a sannyäsé. That will be explained in the Fifth Chapter. Go on.

Tamäla Kåñëa: "According to the empirical philosophers, simply by adopting sannyäsa or retiring from fruitive activities, one at once becomes as good as Näräyaëa, God. But Lord Kåñëa does not approve this principle. Without purification of heart, sannyäsa is simply a disturbance to the social order. On the other hand, if somebody takes to the transcendental service of the Lord, even without discharging his prescribed duties, whatever he may be able to advance in the cause is accepted by the Lord. Svalpam apy asya dharmasya träyate mahato bhayät."

Prabhupäda: Hm. Svalpam apy asya dharmasya träyate mahato bhayät. Svalpam means very little, api-although, asya-of this Kåñëa consciousness, dharmasya-occupation, träyate-delivers, mahato-great, bhayät-fearfulness. Yes. Go on.

Tamäla Kåñëa: "Even the slight performance of such a principle enables one to overcome great difficulty."

Prabhupäda: Yes.

Tamäla Kåñëa: Five: "All men are forced to act helplessly according to the impulses born of the modes of material nature. Therefore nobody can refrain from doing something, not even for a moment."

Prabhupäda: Yes. They say... We saw one signboard in a yoga society in Los Angeles that "You become silent, and you'll become God." (laughs) And here Kåñëa says that you cannot become silent even for a moment. You see? These things are going on. Go on.

Tamäla Kåñëa: Purport: "This is not a question of embodied life. It is the nature of the soul itself to be always active. The proof is that without the presence of the spirit soul there is no movement of the material body. The body is only a dead vehicle to be worked by the spirit soul and therefore it is to be understood that the soul is always active and cannot stop even for a moment. As such, the spirit soul has to be engaged in the good work of Kåñëa consciousness. Otherwise it will be engaged in the occupations dictated by the illusory energy. In contact with material energy, the spirit soul acquires material modes, and to purify the soul from such affinity it is necessary to engage it in the prescribed duties enjoined in the çästras, or scriptures. But if the soul is engaged in his natural function of Kåñëa consciousness, whatever he is able to do is good for him."

Prabhupäda: Practically that is real silence. If you simply engage yourself in activities of Kåñëa consciousness, then automatically your activities in mäyä become silent. Just like the same example I have given. Here is a glass. If you want to fill up with milk, the water will go automatically. You have to throw away the water. You cannot put the water and the milk at the same time in this glass. Similarly, if you become active in Kåñëa consciousness, you automatically become silent in material activities. Without any separate endeavor. It is so nice. And if you try artificially to stop, to become silent from material activities, it will not be possible. You may meditate for fifteen minutes or for fifteen hundred minutes or fifteen thousand years, it will not be possible. The mind is very strong. Mind's business is to accept and reject, accept and reject. You accept something, you reject something.

Better thing is that we accept something Kåñëa conscious under the direction of disciplic succession. That is your, should be, the aim of life, and you are successful. You have to accept something. Simply by rejecting, it will not help you. But you have to accept something. That acceptance is Kåñëa consciousness. Simply negation will not help you. You must have some positive engagement. Go on.

Tamäla Kåñëa: "The Çrémad-Bhägavatam affirms this. If somebody takes to Kåñëa consciousness, even though he may not follow the prescribed duties in the çästras or execute the devotional service properly, or even if he falls down from the standard, there is no loss or evil for him. And even though he carries out all the injunctions for purification in the çästras, what does it avail him if he is not Kåñëa conscious? So the purifying process is necessary for reaching this point. Sannyäsa or any purifying process is meant for helping one to reach the ultimate goal of becoming Kåñëa conscious without which everything is considered a failure."

Prabhupäda: That's all. So any question? (devotees offer obeisances) Any question?

Jaya-gopäla: So many people who stop performing prescribed duty to engage in so-called meditation, actually they are committing sinful activity? Is this actually sinful activity to attempt such meditation like that?

Prabhupäda: Meditation? That you can see from the result. You'll find so many persons meditating, but see their life. Phalena paricéyate. One has to be judged by the result. You have worked very hard and supposed to be very rich man, but if I see that you have no nice apartment, neither any car, neither any opulence, so what kind of businessman you have earned? That can be understood immediately. So if one by practice of meditation is actually advancing in spiritual life, why he's materially affected? What is the difference between a person materially affected and spiritually advanced?

Take for example our students. We may not be very much highly advanced. Admitting that, but at least if any gentleman comes, if he's sincere, he'll appreciate how pure they are. At least they are practiced. You see? So by the result, one has to see. But we have seen so many meditators, they cannot change even their daily nonsense habits. So what result they have obtained, they have achieved? I cannot understand? By the result one has to take account. Not by simply jugglery of words.

Just like there is examination. One student says, "Oh, I have studied so much." But when the examination was taken, he failed. So what does it mean that he studied? That means he did not study, that's all. The test is that spiritual advancement means minimizing material activities. Bhaktiù pareçänubhavo viraktir anyatra syät [SB 11.2.42]. Automatically they will be detestful for material engagement. Spiritual advancement means that.

Just like a hungry man, if you give him to eat, as soon as he begins to eat, immediately he'll feel satisfaction, and when he is fully fed, he'll say, "No, I don't want any more." So similarly, spiritual advancement means proportionately one should be detestful to material engagement. That is the test.

So if anyone is advancing by meditation or bhakti-yoga or Kåñëa consciousness, one has to give evidence that he is now being proportionately detached from this material engagement. That is the test. This is not for only the meditators. It is for you also. How far you are advancing in Kåñëa consciousness you test yourself-how far you have become detached from material consciousness. That's all. The proportionately you have advanced in Kåñëa consciousness, the proportionately you'll not like material engagement. If you have advanced cent percent, then cent percent you become detached. That is the way.

So everyone has to test himself, "how far I have advanced." That means "How far I have become detached with material contamination." That's all. The test is in your hand. And if you are sincere, then you should test yourself. And if you want to make show, that is a different thing. That is explained in the Second Chapter, sthita-prajïa. The behavior of a person who has advanced in spiritual consciousness, that is explained. You have studied. He talks like that, he walks like that, he behaves like that. So many things, they have been explained. These are the tests. So we may not be able to achieve all the success immediately, but everyone should try to follow.

The meditation process is also one process. That is also one of the processes. That is good. But we simply say that this process is not, I mean to say, very fruitful in this age. In this age, this chanting of Hare Kåñëa is the most beneficial process.

That is our program. We don't deprecate the meditational process. That is a process, standard process. But we don't say... We have not manufactured. It is the çästra says. Kåte yad dhyäyato viñëum. Meditation of Viñëu was possible in the Satya-yuga when people used to live for one hundred thousands of years. Just like Välméki Muni, he meditated for sixty thousands of years. He got perfection. Here it is very difficult even to meditate for sixty minutes at a time. You see? Kåte yad dhyäyato viñëum. That process was recommended in the Satya-yuga.

And the next process is tretäyäà yajato makhaiù. The next stage, by performing great sacrifices. That is very costly affair. Nobody has money. Suppose if I prescribe performance of some sacrifice, and if I order that "You have to secure one hundred tons of butter or ghee," can you secure? Oh... You see? So therefore that is not possible. Kåte yad dhyäyato viñëuà tretäyäà yajato makhaiù dväpare paricaryäyäm.

Temple worship is also not possible. Temple worship, you go in India, there are some temples still. Daily, they are spending thousands of dollars for temple worship. Daily. The process... In Jagannätha temple, fifty-six times offered prasäda, and any time you go they will supply you prasäda for one thousand persons. It is all ready. Still. Although India is being advertised there is no food, but if you go to Jagannätha temple, any time, and ask the manager that "We have come, one thousand devotees. Please supply us prasäda." "Yes, ready." (laughter) So that is being done. The arrangement is there since last two thousand years. The Jagannätha has property, there is production, there is good management. That is going on. Similarly, there is another temple, Nathadwar. They're also spending thousands of... In Madras also, there are many temples. There is a big estate. They are also collecting money daily, $4,000, $5,000. Yes. Still. The temple arrangement is there.

So that process is not to be introduced newly. It is not possible. Therefore Bhägavata says, kåte yad dhyäyato viñëuà tretäyäà yajato makhaiù, dväpare paricaryäyäà kalau, kalau means in this age, tad dhari-kértanät. Simply by chanting, you get the result of sacrifice, you get the result of meditation, you get the result of temple worship. Here we are, of course, attempting to worship Jagannätha with our teeny efforts, but if you go to the real Jagannätha temple in Puré, you'll see fifty-six times.

When Lord Caitanya was invited by Sarvabhauma Bhaööäcärya, so he gave Him so much rice and vegetables and all these things. So He thought "It is offered to Jagannätha." So He asked Sarvabhauma Bhaööäcärya, "All right, give Me little prasäda. From this I shall eat." So Sarvabhauma Bhaööäcärya said, "No, You eat the whole thing." "Oh, how it is possible?" Then he gave the example, "Sir, You don't say like that. I know You are taking in the temple fifty-six times like this and this is only a morsel of food for You." You see? (laughter)

So actually, if you offer kåñëa-prasäda, fulfilling the whole hall, as many times, fifty-six times... Fifty-six times means you have got only twenty-four hours. How many times in an hour? Without sleeping, without doing anything. Kåñëa will accept. Kåñëa will accept. And I want it. You American people, you have got so much money, you engage your money in that way. Don't spoil your life by this way and that way. So you can do that. You have got enough, sufficient means to offer Kåñëa fifty-six times. You see? Just see the result. That is utilization. That is karma-yoga. One has the capacity to earn like anything and to spend for Kåñëa like anything. That is karma-yoga.

It is not inertia. "I have got... Chanting Hare Kåñëa, I shall go and sit down, eat at the expense of others and chant Hare Kåñëa." No. This is karma-yoga. Präëair arthair dhiyä väcäù. You have to employ your life, your money, your words, and your intelligence, all for Kåñëa. That is Kåñëa consciousness. If you have got enough money, spend it for Kåñëa. Don't stock it. The more you spend, more you become balanceless for spending Kåñëa, then more you are benefited. This is the process.

That will be taught in the karma-yoga section. And how one can, unless one is spiritually advanced how he can sacrifice his hard-earned money for Kåñëa? Everyone thinks, "Oh, I have earned this money working so hard. Why shall I spend it for Kåñëa? Let me keep it. I shall do it for my sense gratification." This is, this kind of advancement is no value. You see. How one has learned to sacrifice everything for Kåñëa.

Just like Arjuna. He sacrificed his whole family for Kåñëa. In the beginning he hesitated, "How can I kill my family members, this fight?" And when he became Kåñëa conscious, "Never mind, I shall kill all of them." This is called sacrifice. This is Kåñëa conscious. He sacrificed all sentiments, all connection, everything for Kåñëa. That is called sannyäsa, real sannyäsa. Although he was a warrior, a fighter, a householder having more than dozen wives, but he was sannyäsa. Because he sacrificed everything for Kåñëa. That is wanted. That is Kåñëa conscious.

So everyone can test how far he has advanced simply by this, "How far I have become prepared to sacrifice everything for Kåñëa?" He doesn't require to take certificate from others. He can test himself, "How far I am prepared?" Then it is all right. This is the standard. All right. Chant Hare Kåñëa. (devotees offer obeisances) You are not getting another mådaìga? You have no money?

Tamäla Kåñëa: We have no money yet.

Prabhupäda: Oh. (laughs) All right. If you require, you can get... I'll pay you money.

Tamäla Kåñëa: We'll pay you. Well, we'll get some more.

Prabhupäda: That's all right.

Madhudviña: We have money. We will get one very soon.

Prabhupäda: You ask somebody to give you one mådaìga, contribute. If he asks where it is available, you can give the address and he can send the money there. It is not a very difficult task. What do they charge? Fifty dollars?

Tamäla Kåñëa: Yes.

Prabhupäda: So ask somebody to give fifty dollars, send to New York. Yes. We don't want cash. Give us in kind. That is also nice. Yes. (kértana begins)

Prabhupäda: What is that? What is that? What is that?

Dayänanda: It's a pie.

Prabhupäda: Pie?

Dayänanda: A pie, yes.

Prabhupäda: It will be offered to the Deity?

Dayänanda: Hm?

Prabhupäda: It is to be offered to the Deity?

Dayänanda: Yes.

Prabhupäda: So why you are sitting here?

Dayänanda: (indistinct)

Prabhupäda: Oh. All right. Sit down. (kértana)

Prabhupäda: Vämanadeva? It is fainting[?].

Vämanadeva: Shaking.

Prabhupäda: Yes. When I stand it will [?] going

Vämanadeva: There should be more steps here for you. I notice it's too...

Prabhupäda: It's not steady. No, still the platform is not tight. You should...

Tamäla Kåñëa: It needs supports. More supports.

Prabhupäda: Yes. Because... You should have... (pause) What is that?

Jaya-gopäla: It looks like a chestnut.

Prabhupäda: Chestnut? (eating)

Tamäla Kåñëa: It would be nice if we had a new altar for the Deities. When the new Deities are installed, if we could have a new altar, that would be nice.

Prabhupäda: Yes. That will be changed.[?] We shall do that. First of all let us have the new Deity. [break] That will be discussed later on. We have come to the chapter; it will discuss.

Devotee: Prabhupäda? Would you like to take a piece of pie home with you?

Prabhupäda: What is that?

Devotee:: It's squash pie with raisins and banana and chestnut and anise.

Prabhupäda: Why did you not give me in the beginning?

Devotee:: It wasn't... It wasn't all ready.

Prabhupäda: We shall take later on? We shall take it later on?

Devotee:: I was going to give the remainder of it to saìkértana to take to the house.

Prabhupäda: Let them, take them.

Devotee:: Okay. Would you like to take a piece with you?