| Bhagavad-gétä 3.27 -- Madras, January 1, 1976
Prabhupäda: ...karmäëi sarvaçaù, ahaìkära-vimüòhätmä kartäham iti manyate [Bg. 3.27]. We are preaching Kåñëa consciousness all over the world, and we are getting good response because we are preaching Bhagavad-gétä as it is. This book is... Here it is written, Bhagavad-gétä As It Is. We do not make any false interpretation so that the reader also spoil and the listener is also spoiled. So, so many people, sometimes they come forward to give me some credit that I have done very wonderful thing. So I reply that "I do not know how to do something wonderful. I cannot manufacture gold, I cannot show any jugglery, but if there is any credit, then the only credit is I don't adulterate. That's all. The pure milk, I don't show my expert service by adding water in it. That I do not do. So we present Bhagavad-gétä as it is. In the Bhagavad-gétä, Kåñëa is the Supreme Lord. In the, all the Vedic literature, Kåñëa is accepted as the Supreme Lord, person, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. éçvaraù paramaù kåñëaù In the Vedänta-sütra it is inquired, athäto brahma jijïäsä. What is Brahman? This human life is meant for understanding Brahman. Ahaà brahmäsmi. This is real education. So that Parabrahman... We are Brahman, but Kåñëa is Parabrahman. Nityo nityänäà cetanaç cetanänäm. He is the supreme nitya, eternal. Kåñëa is also eternal; we are also eternal. Na hanyate hanyamäne çarére [Bg. 2.20]. So Kåñëa is... [break] ...not a dead stone and we are also living being. Nityo nityänäà cetanaç cetanänäm. And where is the difference between Kåñëa and me? The difference is eko yo bahünäà vidadhäti kämän. Kåñëa maintains all these plural number. He is singular number. Nityo nityänäm. He is singular number. Then this singular number or plural number, what is the difference? Difference is that Kåñëa is the maintainer and we are the maintained. Kåñëa is the predominator; we are predominated. This is difference. So our preaching, is this Kåñëa consciousness, that people are searching after God, speculating throughout the whole life, but here Kåñëa is canvassing, "Here I am." "No." Avajänanti mäà müòhäù. God is canvassing, "Here I am," and these people are searching after God. Just see. Why? That is explained here, ahaìkära-vimüòhätmä, false egoism. Ahaìkära-vimüòhätmä kartäham iti manyate [Bg. 3.27]. He is fully under the control of prakåti, and still, he is thinking independent. That is vimüòhätmä, bewildered. So prakåteù kriyamäëäni
The material world, especially in this age, everyone is thinking, "I am the greatest. Who can become more than me?" Ahaìkära-vimüòhätmä. This material world is like that. Everyone is thinking like that. Asuric pravåtti. Kaù äòhyo 'sti mama samaù: "Who is greater than me?" There is a struggle for this vimüòhätmä competition. But at the end he is under the control of nature-everyone knows it-because ultimately the death will come and all ahaìkäras will be taken away. "I don't care for God. I am independent. I am God"-all these ahaìkära, false egotism, on account of bewildered, being bewildered, these things will be finished when Kåñëa will come as death. Everything will be finished. Måtyuù sarva-haraç cäham. Kåñëa has described Himself that "I am death. I am death, and I take away all your possession, that's all, as death." It will be taken away. However intelligent we may be, however proud we may be for our possession, but the death is sure. "As sure as death." And when death comes-the death is also another form of Kåñëa-then He will take everything. Just like Hiraëyakaçipu. He was very, very proud of his possession. He was controlling over the three worlds. He was chastising his Vaiñëava son, Prahläda Mahäräja. In this way he was very, very proud. But when Kåñëa came as Nåsiàhadeva, everything was finished within a second. So we should not mistake this, I mean to say, fact. Kåñëa therefore presents that "Your real problem is birth, death, old age, and disease, your real problem. You are making solution of all the problems by scientific advancement, by education, by so on, so on, political maneuver, everything. It is all right, but how you are going to solve this problem-janma-måtyu-jarä-vyädhi-duùkha-doñänudarçanam? How you'll solve this problem?" Actually human life is meant for solving this problem, not this temporary problem. Temporary problem will go on. If you don't solve this problem, janma-måtyu-jarä-vyädhi, then any form of life, there will be problems. Even if you are elevated to the heavenly planets, there are also problems. Indra is not very happy there, the king of heavenly planet. Although the higher planets, the duration of life, the standard of civilization, standard of comforts many, many thousand times greater than here, but the same problem-janma-måtyu-jarä-vyädhi-is there. You cannot avoid it. But actually our problem is that I... Nobody wants to die, that's a fact, but death is enforced. No young man wants to become old man, but it is enforced. You cannot avoid it. So we should understand-this is sense-that we are not independent. That's a fact. Prakåteù kriyamäëäni. And above prakåti there is Kåñëa. mayädhyakñeëa prakåtiù So therefore Kåñëa is accepted as the supreme controller. Éçvaraù paramaù kåñëaù [Bs. 5.1]. Éçvara means controller, one who controls. So everyone has got some capacity to control, every one of us. You are also controlling your family, controlling your business, and I am controlling this institution, and so on, so on. Everyone has got some. In that sense everyone is éçvara. There is no fight on this point. But we are controller of a limited circle, but we are controlled also. That is our position. Not that I am simply controller but I am controlled by higher authority. So therefore I am not supreme controller. I am controller, éçvara, but here is one, éçvara, Kåñëa, éçvaraù paramaù. He is supreme controller. Why supreme controller? Because he is not controlled by anyone. That is Kåñëa's position. Kåñëa, when He was present on this planet He practically demonstrated that He controlled everyone but nobody controlled Him. That is éçvara. That is called parameçvara. Éçvara everyone may be. God everyone may be. But Godhead is Kåñëa. Nityo nityänäà cetanaç cetanänäm. So we should understand it very nicely, and it is not very difficult. The same controller is coming before us as one of us, as human being. But we are not accepting Him. That is the difficulty. Avajänanti mäà müòhä mänuñéà tanum äçritam [Bg. 9.11]. That is very regretful. Kåñëa says that "I am coming to exhibit who is the supreme controller, and I am playing as human being so that everyone can understand. I am giving instruction in the Bhagavad-gétä. Still, these fools, the rascals, they cannot understand." So God is there. We give the God's name, Kåñëa, God's address also, Våndävana, God's father's name, mothers' name. So why... Where is the difficulty to find out God? But they will not accept. They will not accept. Müòha. They have been described as müòha. So this morning these press reporters asking me, "What is the purpose of your movement?" So I said, "To educate the müòhas, that's all." This is the sum and substance of this Kåñëa consciousness movement, that we are trying to educate the müòhas. And who is müòha? That is described by Kåñëa. Na mäà duñkåtino müòhäù prapadyante narädhamäù [Bg. 7.15]. Why? Mäyayäpahåta-jïänäù. Why mäyä has taken away his knowledge? Äsuraà bhävam äçritäù. We have got very simple test, just like a chemist in the small test tube can analyze what is the liquid. So we are not very intelligent. We are also one of so many müòhas, but we have got the test tube. Kåñëa says... We like to remain müòha, and take education from Kåñëa. This is Kåñëa consciousness. We do not pose ourselves as very learned scholar and very erudite scholar-"We know everything." No. We are... Caitanya Mahäprabhu, He also tried to remain a müòha. He, when He talked with Prakäçänanda Sarasvaté... He was Mäyävädé sannyäsé. Caitanya Mahäprabhu was dancing and chanting. So these Mäyävädé sannyäsés were criticizing Him that "He is a sannyäsé, and He's simply chanting and dancing with some sentimental persons. What is this?" So a meeting was arranged between Prakäçänanda Sarasvaté and Caitanya Mahäprabhu. In that meeting Caitanya Mahäprabhu attended as a humble sannyäsé. So Prakäçänanda Sarasvaté questioned Him, "Sir, You are a sannyäsé. Your duty is to study Vedänta always. So how is that, You are chanting and dancing? You are not reading Vedänta." Caitanya Mahäprabhu said, "Yes, sir, that's a fact. I am doing because My Guru Mahäräja saw Me a müòha, rascal." "How is that?" "He said, guru more mürkha dekhi' karila çäsana. My Guru Mahäräja saw Me a fool number one, and he chastised Me." "How he has chastised You?" Now, " 'You have no jurisdiction to studying Vedänta. It is not possible for You. You are a müòha. You better chant Hare Kåñëa.' " So what is His purpose? The purpose is, at the present moment, these müòhas, how they will understand Vedänta? Better chant Hare Kåñëa. Then you will get all knowledge. harer näma harer näma harer nämaiva kevalam In this age people are so fallen that what they will understand Vedänta and who has got the time to read Vedänta? So better take the education of Vedänta directly as Kåñëa says, vedaiç ca sarvair aham eva vedyaù [Bg. 15.15]. So Vedänta knowledge is çabdäd anävåtti. By chanting the çabda-brahma one can be liberated. So this, this is recommended in the çästras harer näma harer näma harer nämaiva kevalam So if one is actually interested how to become liberated from this material bondage, janma-måtyu-jarä-vyädhi-these are the problems-then, according to çästra, according to mahäjana, one must take to this chanting of Hare Kåñëa mahä-mantra. This is our, I mean to say, purpose. So even Caitanya Mahäprabhu, He was so learned scholar, every one of you know, and He was very popular leader at Navadvépa. And when He was sixteen years only, He defeated one very great learned scholar, Keçava Käçméré. And he was known as Nimäi Paëòita. Actually He was very learned scholar, and His explanation of one verse, ätmärämäç ca munayo nirgranthä apy urukrame... He described this verse in sixty-four ways. He was such a learned scholar. So He was not a fool, but He represented the fool of this age, that "If you want liberation from material bondage... Because this human form of life is meant for that purpose. Janma-måtyu-jarä-vyädhi-duùkha-doñänu... This human life is meant for getting out of this encagement of repetition of birth, death, old age and disease. This is human form of life. It is meant for. Unfortunately there is no education that "Why? I do not want death, but why death is compulsory? I do not want old age; why old age is compulsory? I do not want to take birth; why birth is compulsory?" These are the actual questions or problems of life. And our whole Vedic literature is meant for solving this problem. That is whole purpose. Vedic literature, Vedic civilization, is not meant for working day and night like animals only for maintaining the foodstuff and sense gratification. It is not civilization. According to our Vedic civilization, this is not civilization. This is another form of animal life. Because Åñabhadeva says, näyaà deho deha-bhäjäà nåloke kañöän kämän arhate viò-bhujäà ye, tapo divyaà putrakä yena çuddhyet sattvam [SB 5.5.1]. That is the aim. Çuddhyet sattvam. Sattva, our existence, is now polluted, infected. Therefore we have to accept birth, death, old age and disease. The cats and dogs, they cannot get this opportunity how to purify the existence, how to become free from these four principles of material unhappiness. They cannot understand; they cannot study Vedic literatures; they cannot take instruction of Bhagavad-gétä or Çrémad-Bhägavatam. So if we do not take advantage of our Vedic knowledge which is found in India, then we are spoiling our life. Therefore Narottama däsa Öhäkura has sung a very nice song, hari hari biphale, janama goìäinu: "My Lord Hari, Kåñëa, I have simply wasted my time." Why? Manuñya-janama päiyä, rädhä-kåñëa na bhajiyä, jäniyä çuniyä biña khäinu: "I got this human form of life, but I did not take the advantage offered in this life to understand Kåñëa; therefore I have taken poison knowingly. I have taken poison knowingly." So this Kåñëa consciousness movement is very important. It is not something manufactured, mental concoction. No. It is authorized, authorized movement. Kåñëa says, sarva-dharmän parityajya mäm ekaà çaraëaà vraja [Bg. 18.66]. Mattaù parataraà nänyat kiïcid asti dhanaïjaya [Bg. 7.7]. There is no more superior fact than Kåñëa. That we have to understand. And how He is superior? We are taking nature as very wonderful but behind the nature the manipulator, the controller, is Kåñëa. That you have to understand. That is understanding of Kåñëa. If... Big, big scientists are finding out the wonderful natural laws, but it is their duty to find out, "Who has made this law, and how it is being conducted so nicely?" That answer is there- mayädhyakñeëa prakåtiù The prakåti is very powerful. There is no doubt. In the Brahma-saàhitä also it is stated that såñöi-sthiti-pralaya-sädhana-çaktir ekä chäyeva yasya bhuvanäni vibharti durgä [Bs. 5.44]. Durgä, goddess Durgä, she is the prakåti power, and she can create, she can maintain, she can annihilate. Såñöi-sthiti-pralaya-sädhana-çaktir ekä chäyeva yasya bhuvanäni vibharti [Bs. 5.44]. But she is acting just like shadow, not independently. Icchänurüpam api yasya ca ceñöate sä govindam ädi-puruñaà tam ahaà bhajämi **. So Govinda is the ultimate background. Sarva-käraëa-käraëam [Bs. 5.1]. Éçvaraù paramaù... And this is the Brahma-saàhitä, written by Lord Brahmä. So, and He is personally explaining Himself. What is the difficulty to understand Kåñëa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead? So we should take opportunity of this human form of life, how to understand. Even one has got this human form of life, it is difficult. Kåñëa says, manuñyäëäà sahasreñu So there are so many things to be learned about Kåñëa. Kåñëa says that "I am controlling the material nature." Now, if you are actually very great scientist you find out how Kåñëa is controlling the material... That is... Idaà hi puàsas tapasaù çrutasya vä [SB 1.5.22]. Actually education, tapasya, means that you should understand what is the ultimate truth and how He is acting. Then your education, your scientific knowledge, is perfect. In the Çrémad-Bhägavatam it is said in the Naimiñäraëya, ataù pumbhir dvija-çreñöhä So whatever you do it doesn't matter, but try to satisfy the Supreme Lord by your work. That is the perfection of life. Saàsiddhir hari-toñaëam [SB 1.2.13]. You cannot... This is foolishness-"Oh, there is no God." How you can say so? You are completely under the control of the laws of nature, and nature is being controlled by God. How you can say that you are independent of God? Therefore it is not very good business that people are pulling on, pushing on a type of civilization, Godless civilization. They'll never be happy because we are so controlled that after death we have to accept, tathä dehäntara-präptiù. You have to... You cannot stop death. As you cannot stop... Just like a boy. If he says, "No, no, I will not grow." Father says, "My dear boy, you are playing all day. Go to school. Learn something. Otherwise in future you will be unhappy. You will not be able to maintain yourself." So if the boy says, "No, no, I have no future. I will not become young man. I shall play," that is not a fact. You have to become a young man and you have to take responsibility. So similarly, Kåñëa said, dehino 'smin yathä dehe So dehäntara-präpti is there. That's a fact. How you can say, "I'm independent"? This is foolishness. You are not independent. How dehäntara-präpti? Karmaëä daiva-netreëa, according to your karma. In this life we are preparing ourself for the next life. How it is? Yänti deva-vratä devän pitèn yänti pitå-vratäù [Bg. 9.25], bhütejyä yänti bhü... Mad-yäjino 'pi yänti mäm. You have to prepare yourself. So leaving aside the black side, you take the bright side that you are trying to go to the higher planetary system, Svargaloka, Janaloka, Maharloka, Tapoloka. So you have to prepare yourself. They are going to, trying to go to the moon planet but according to our calculation they have never gone to the moon planet. They have never gone because, we find in the çästras, the moon planet is situated 1,600,000 miles above the sun. And they calculate that 93,000,000's of miles the sun is situated. So 93,000,000 plus another 1,600,000 it becomes 95,000,000 miles. How one can go ninety-five millions of miles in four days? So according to our çästra, we cannot believe this statement. So apart from this discussion, you can go to the moon planet. That is also one of the heavenly planet. But you have to prepare for that, sir. That is karma-käëòéya. You have to perform such and such yajïas. It is not that by force you can go any other planet. By force you cannot go even any other parts of the world here. If you want to go to America you have to take passport, visa, and so many things. And you'll be allowed to go to the moon planet without any visa or passport? How it is possible? It is common sense. They are so fools that some rascal will take some machine and go there? That is not possible. So we have to prepare. So Kåñëa says, yänti deva-vratä devän: [Bg. 9.25] "If you want to go to the heavenly planets you can go. You prepare yourself." Pitèn yänti: "Pitåloka you can go." Mad-yäjino 'pi yänti mäm: "But if you prepare yourself for coming to Me, back to home, back..., you can do so." So if we have to prepare ourself to go to other, higher planetary system... And here within this material world, within this universe, äbrahma-bhuvanäl lokäù punar ävartino 'rjuna [Bg. 8.16]. Even if you go to the highest planetary system, Brahmaloka. The Brahmaloka means you cannot calculate one day's life. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gétä. Sahasra-yuga-paryantam ahar yad brahmaëo viduù [Bg. 8.17]. Sahasra-yuga. One yuga means forty-three lakhs of years, and multiplied by one thousand, such year, is only twelve hours of Brahmaloka life. Similarly, twenty-four hours, one month, one year... So it is very, very long duration of life there, where Brahmä lives. But still, you have to die. Äbrahma-bhuvanäl lokäù punar ävartino 'rjuna [Bg. 8.16]. So mad-dhäma gatvä punar janma na vidyate. These are... Instructions are there, and we are trying to educate people in Kåñëa consciousness. But if we think foolishly that "I am independent," you can do that, but we are not independent. That's a fact. Prakåteù kriyamäëäni. We are fully under the control of prakåti, and we have to change different types of bodies. There are 8,400,000 different types of bodies. Jalajä nava-lakñäëi sthävarä lakña-viàçati. They are all stated. And this human form of life is ver... Very, very rarely we have obtained. Therefore Prahläda Mahäräja said that durlabhaà mänuñaà janma: "This human form of life is very, very difficult to obtain." Somehow or other, we have now this human form of life. Kåñëa said that utilize it very nicely so that the problems of life... And that knowledge is very easy. Kåñëa says, janma karma ca me divyaà yo jänäti tattvataù [Bg. 4.9]. Simply try to understand Kåñëa. That's all. That will solve. And Kåñëa is explaining Himself, what He is. Where is the difficulty? Unless you make some interpretation foolishly, everything is very, very clear. So you can understand Kåñëa. And if you understand Kåñëa, then result is janma karma ca me divyaà Where is the difficulty? There is no difficulty. Therefore our request is, take to this Kåñëa consciousness. It is... If the foreigners can take to it very seriously, so why not Indians? It is Indians' knowledge. Bhagavad-gétä was spoken in India. Why you are neglecting it? Why you are not taking advantage? Why you are falsely proud that you are independent? These are our questions. You are not independent. You are under the full control of prakåti. So you have to rectify. Tapo divyaà yena çuddhyet sattvaà yasmäd brahma-saukhyam anantam. That is the..., that we want happiness, but here any happiness... There is no happiness. It is simply distress. But even if we take as happiness, that is temporary. But we want unlimited, unending happiness. So that you can have if you perform tapasya. Tapasya. Tapasä brahmacaryeëa çamena damena ca [SB 6.1.13]. That is life. Human life is meant for tapasya, a little tapasya. Little tapasya. Not very difficult. We are asking these boys, European, others, that "You simply give up these four principles of sinful life because if you remain sinful, you cannot understand God. That is not possible." Therefore Kåñëa is saying, na mäà duñkåtino müòhäù [Bg. 7.15]. One who are engaged in sinful activities, they cannot. That is not possible. yeñäà tv anta-gataà päpaà We have to be free from sinful life. And now it is practical. Now we are... According to çästra, we have prescribed, "No illicit sex, no meat-eating, no gambling, no intoxication." Four no's. Then you become free from sinful activities. And then chant Hare Kåñëa. Your life is successful. It is not very difficult, provided you are serious to take it. So that is our request. Harer näma harer näma harer nämaiva kevalam [Adi 17.21]. Even if you cannot give up the four principles of sinful life immediately, but you take to Kåñëa consciousness. Chant Hare Kåñëa mantra. Then you gradually get strength. Just like these European, American boys. From their childhood they are trained up for this sinful life but they have given up completely. Young men. Still, they have given up. So the method is very simple. Ceto-darpaëa-märjanaà bhava-mahä-dävägni-nirväpaëam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. If we chant Hare Kåñëa mantra, then the mirror of the core of heart will be cleansed. Ceto-darpaëa-märjanam. And then bhava-mahä-dävägni-nirväpaëam. This repetition of birth, death, old age and disease, this is just like a fire in the forest. Nobody wants it but it is forced up on us. Just like nobody wants to set fire in the forest, but it takes place naturally. Similarly, if you remain in this material world then you have to be, I mean to say, put into these tribulations of materialistic way of life. There is no escape. Saàsära-dävänala. It is just like dävänala. So ceto-darpaëa-märjanaà bhava-mahä-dävägni-nirväpaëam. As soon as you understand that "I do not belong to this material world"-brahma-bhütaù prasannätmä na çocati na käìkñati [Bg. 18.54]-then all problems of life is solved. Ahaà brahmäsmi. This is ceto-darpaëa-märjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. So as soon as one is cleansed of the dirty things in the heart, then he can understand that "I am part and parcel of Kåñëa. My duty is to serve Kåñëa. So let me be engaged in His service and become successful in this human form of life." Thank you very much. Hare Kåñëa. [break] It is Kåñëaism. (aside) What is this? Stopped? [break] Hinduism means a type of faith, or Muslimism is type of faith. But... As it is described in the English dictionary, religion means a kind of faith. But it is not that type of religion. It is a compulsory fact. Just like sugar is, compulsorily must become, sweet. If sugar is not sweet, that is not real sugar. Chili is not hot; that is not real chili. Similarly, we are part and parcel of Kåñëa. Our duty is to become Kåñëa conscious. There is no question of faith. It is not the question of faith. You may have faith in Hinduism; tomorrow you may have faith in Christianism. Or you may have faith in Christianism, tomorrow in Mohammedan. This kind of faith is not Kåñëa consciousness. It is a compulsory. Just like laws of the state. It is not that it is meant for the Hindus, or for the Muslims, for the Christian. It is meant for everyone. Similarly, mamaiväàço jéva-bhütaù [Bg. 15.7]. We are part and parcel of Kåñëa, so it is compulsory to revive our consciousness that we are part and parcel of Kåñëa. It is not a question of faith. Faith you may accept or do not accept but here it is a question of "must." You must revive your Kåñëa consciousness; otherwise you will suffer. Indian (1): Any other question, please? Indian (2): If I understand Bhagavad-gétä and also you (?), Kåñëa has given different type of methods for different type of people of different advantages (?). He's talking about [Sanskrit], all these things. Arjuna questioned Kåñëa. He asked the difference between the two kinds of worship. One is the worshiping the form; other is worshiping the guëas (?). And actually we find it difficult to understand. What can you enlighten us on this point, that why Kåñëa has given a different type of (?) and these two different type worships? One is the form worship; another is the formless worship, which He explains to Arjuna. Prabhupäda: The personal form and impersonal form, there are two conception. But Kåñëa explains this that mayä tatam idaà sarvaà jagad avyakta-mürtinä. Avyaktam, impersonal. That is another form of Kåñëa. He says, mayä: "By Me." "I am all-pervading." Mayä tatam idaà sarvam. That is sarvaà khalv idaà brahma. Because He is expanded everywhere, that is impersonal. And... But as mäyä, He says, "by Me." Then He's person. So the whole creation is Kåñëa's expansion of energy. Just like the sunshine. Sunshine is also the same quality, heat and light, as the sun globe or the sun god. But the sunshine is impersonal, and the sun globe is localized. And within the sun globe there is sun god. So that is the main source of everything. Éçvaraù paramaù kåñëaù sac-cid-änanda-vigrahaù [Bs. 5.1]. Brahmaëaù ahaà pratiñöhä. The brahmajyoti is also staying in Kåñëa. Kåñëa is the source of brahmajyoti. So impersonal or personal, whatever you take, that is Brahman. Brahmeti paramätmeti bhagavän iti çabdyate. But the beginning, origin, is Kåñëa. That Kåñëa explains, ahaà sarvasya prabhavo mattaù sarvaà pravartate [Bg. 10.8]. Either you take impersonal Brahman or localized Paramätmä, whatever you take, that is emanation from Kåñëa. Sarva-käraëa-käraëam [Bs. 5.1]. So, of course, if you worship impersonal form, brahmajyoti, that is also Kåñëa. But Kåñëa has said, kleço 'dhikataras teñäm avyaktäsakta-cetasäm [Bg. 12.5]. If you want to approach the Absolute Truth through the impersonal form, then it will be little difficult. Perhaps you may not reach the ultimate goal. You may fall down. There are so many instances. We have seen in India so many big, big sannyäsés. They give up this world-brahma satyaà jagan mithyä-but after some days they come down to the jagat and engage themselves in political... [break] Why? They could not stay in the Brahman stage. That is stated in the Çrémad-Bhägavatam. Ye 'nye 'ravindäkña vimukta-mäninaù. By concentrating on the impersonal form they think that they have become liberated but actually that is not. Aviçuddha-buddhayaù. So impersonal conception is not purified intelligence. Ye 'nye 'ravindäkña vimukta-mäninaù. You may think that "I have become liberated," but it is not. Why? Äruhya kåcchreëa paraà padaà tataù patanty adhaù [SB 10.2.32]. After so much trouble and austerity, penances, you may acquire the position in the impersonal Brahman, but there is chance of falling down from there. Patanty adhaù. Why? Anädåta-yuñmad-aìghrayaù: "Because they could not find out how to worship Your lotus feet." So unless you come to the personal form of the Absolute Truth, there is difficulty and there is chance of falling down. [break] He never said, "My avatära." Mäm ekaà çaraëam. Otherwise he'll be misguided. Sarva-dharmän parityajya mäm ekam [Bg. 18.66]. This is the most confidential information. Guhyatamam. Sarva-guhyatamam. So if you want to take the most confidential instruction of Kåñëa, then mäm ekaà çaraëaà vraja. That is wanted. Indian (3): Can I put a question, sir? I take Christianity as... [break] Prabhupäda: What is that? Harikeça: He says he takes Christianity as Kåñëa consciousness. What do you say? Prabhupäda: Everything is Kåñëa consciousness. It is question of degrees. Mama vart..., pärtha... What is that verse? Vartante mänuñyäù pärtha sarvaçaù. Everyone is searching after Kåñëa, but they are forward to some step. Suppose Kåñëa is there on the top, and it is one hundred steps. So somebody has covered five steps, somebody has covered ten steps, somebody has covered hundred steps, like that. So everyone is searching after Kåñëa, but there is degrees of realization of Kåñëa. So either Christian, Mohammedan, or any, they are searching after Kåñëa. That's all right. But it is a question of degrees, how far they have gone forward. The last stage is sarva-dharmän parityajya mäm ekaà çaraëaà vraja [Bg. 18.66]. That is the final stage. Indian (4): Swamiji, is the Kåñëa consciousness is a development of this, only of our Caitanya Mahäprabhu. Prabhupäda: No, it is... Kåñëa consciousness is there in the Bhagavad-gétä. It is not, nobody's property. It is Kåñëa's instruction. Indian (5): Swamiji, what is the color of Kåñëa? It is blue or black? Not according to çästra, but your experience. Prabhupäda: So if you kindly advance in Kåñëa consciousness, then you will understand. (applause and laughter) Indian (6): What is the main purpose of meditation? Prabhupäda: What is that? Meditation? [break] Dhyänävasthita-tad-gatena manasä paçyanti yaà yoginaù [SB 12.13.1]. This is meditation, that by meditation that they try to find out Kåñëa within your heart because Kåñëa is situated everyone's heart. Éçvaraù sarva-bhütänäà håd-deçe arjuna tiñöhati [Bg. 18.61]. So that is dhyäna-find out. In the çästra we understand, "Kåñëa is within my heart." And if you meditate, try to find out Kåñëa, then, if you are fortunate, you'll be able to see Him. This is meditation. Indian (7): My question is whether the name Kåñëa existed prior to Dväpara-yuga. Prabhupäda: Hm? Mahäàça: Whether the name Kåñëa existed prior to Dväpara-yuga. Prabhupäda: Existed prior to? Mahäàça: Dväpara-yuga. Prabhupäda: Yes, it is always existing. Those who are expert, they are seeing Him. Kåñëa is... Just like Brahmä, Brahma-saàhitä. He mentions Kåñëa. Éçvaraù paramaù kåñëaù [Bs. 5.1]. So many, many Dväpara-yugas before, many millions of Dväpara-yugas before, he mentioned Kåñëa. Do you understand it? Brahmä said. Brahmä is the first creature in the creation. Many millions of years ago he uttered this word, éçvaraù paramaù kåñëaù [Bs. 5.1]. Indian (8): Is Lord Kåñëa in the Bhagavad-gétä different from the one in Bhägavatam? Pürëimä-candra : Is Lord Kåñëa in Bhagavad-gétä... Prabhupäda: Kåñëa is one. Indian (9): May I ask a question, sir. The movement is very popular in the USA and few other countries. To my experience it is not quite popular... This is the country where originated... [break] ...not so much in India. Prabhupäda: It is very popular here also. Otherwise why you have come here? (laughter) Indian (9): But it is not so popular. Prabhupäda: So Kåñëa is popular in India very much. Every house, they observe Kåñëa Janmäñöamé. Unfortunately (applause) you are forgetting. You are forgetting this. That is the misfortune. (laughter) Indian (10): Swamiji, to be of service to Godhead is it necessary to renounce the regular life? Prabhupäda: No. Regular life... Just like Arjuna. Arjuna understood Bhagavad-gétä. So before understanding Bhagavad-gétä, he was a soldier. After hearing Bhagavad-gétä, he remained a soldier. He did not give up the battlefield-"Now, Kåñëa, I have understood. I give up everything. I am now going to be sannyäsé." No. That is not required. You have to understand what Kåñëa wants you to do. That is Kåñëa consciousness. That you can do in any position. It doesn't require. Karma-phala-tyäga. That is advised by Kåñëa. Kåñëa says, sarva-dharmän parityajya [Bg. 18.66]. We have manufactured different types of religious system. And they can be grouped. Some of them are within the group of tyäga, and some of them are within the group of bhoga. Bhoga and tyäga. The karmés, they are after bhoga, and jïänés, they are after tyäga. Kåñëa says that "You have to give up both of them, this bhoga and tyäga, both of them. You have simply to surrender unto Me." There is no question of bhoga and tyäga. Indian (11): (indistinct) But how do we just meditate and get in touch with that Brahman? [break] Prabhupäda: ...does not say that you go everywhere... Indian (12): But simply they say that you just have to meditate, transcendental meditation... Prabhupäda: No, what they say, I do not know. I know what Kåñëa says. That's all. (laughter) Indian (12): I wanted to know... Prabhupäda: We are not concerned with others. We are pushing on... Kåñëa consciousness means our mission is to present before you what Kåñëa says. That's all. We are not concerned what other says. We are not con... Indian (13): Lord Kåñëa (indinstinct) by meditation? Prabhupäda: Yes, there is in the sixth chapter. Mat-para. And he has explained, yoginäm api sarveñäà That is first-class yogi who is always thinking, "Hare Kåñëa, Hare Kåñëa, Kåñëa Kåñëa, Hare Hare." He is first-class yogi. All right. We have taken. Now no more. Chant Hare Kåñëa. You join with us. (end) |